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Tópico em 'J.R.R. Tolkien e suas Obras (Diga Amigo e Entre!)' iniciado por bart-simpson, 29 Dez 2008.

  1. bart-simpson

    bart-simpson Hey ho! Let's go!

    Existem erros de tradução nas obras "O Hobbit" (Martins Fontes, 2002), "O Silmarillion" (Martins Fontes, 2007) e "Contos Inacabados" (Martins Fontes, última edição)?
    E existe uma revisão da tradução desses textos, como ocorreu com o SdA (Força Tarefa Valinor)?
    Que tal se os erros, à medida que forem detectados, forem postados aqui?

    PS: Quanto à obra "O Hobbit", encontrei o seguinte comentário do Tilion:

     
    Última edição: 29 Dez 2008
  2. Tilion

    Tilion Administrador

    Há alguns erros consideráveis em O Hobbit, como na descrição de Beorn, que na tradução dá a entender que ele tem pele negra, quando no original não fala nada disso (já apontei isso em outro post, depois coloco aqui; EDIT: achei, veja
    Este conteúdo é limitado a Usuários. Por favor, cadastre-se para poder ver o conteúdo e participar (não demora e não possui custos)
    ).

    Esse caso da tradução e nivelamento de goblins como "orcs" é um dos principais, mas tem outras coisas.

    Minha impressão geral é de que há menos problemas em O Silmarillion e Contos Inacabados (mas não que eles não existam, claro), mas seria preciso uma análise detalhada pra confirmar isso.

    Não foi feita uma força tarefa de revisão para esses outros livros - ainda. :wink:
     
    Última edição: 29 Dez 2008
  3. Haran Alkarin

    Haran Alkarin Usuário

    Um exemplo de O Silmarillion:

    "Assim sucedeu a segunda chacina de elfos por elfos. Nela caiu Celegorm, pela mão de Dior, bem como Curufin e Caranthir, o Moreno"

    "There fell Celegorm by Dior's hand, and there fell Curufin, and dark Caranthir; but Dior was slain also, and Nomloth his wife (...)"


    Passa-se, na versão portuguesa, a impressão que Curufin e Caranthir, "bem como" Celegorm, morreram pela mão de Dior, enquanto fica claro na versão originla que Dior matara apenas um elfo.
     
  4. bart-simpson

    bart-simpson Hey ho! Let's go!

    É verdade, tinha me esquecido de mencionar a questão de Beorn (vou reler seus comentários no tópico que você indicou).
    Bem, vou tentar descobrir quais são esses outros erros em "O Hobbit", já que estou lendo esse livro agora.
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    Valeu, Tilion.
     
  5. Deriel

    Deriel Administrador

    Começando 2.009 vamos começar uma Força Tarefa para revisão dO Hobbit - estamos em discussão há algum tempo já na Equipe sobre qual a melhor maneira de conduzir a questão, de forma a garantir que a revisão seja de fato a melhor possível e com a maior qualidade.
     
  6. bart-simpson

    bart-simpson Hey ho! Let's go!

    Bom saber disso, já que não encontrei um tópico específico sobre os erros de tradução dessas obras (e já que "O Silmarillion" será minha próxima leitura!). 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  7. bart-simpson

    bart-simpson Hey ho! Let's go!

    Ótima notícia (ainda mais porque o resultado da Força Tarefa de revisão do SdA foi muito bom - um trabalho de excelente qualidade :clap:).
    Obrigado pela informação (e sinto muito por não poder ajudar nisso :().
     

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