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Fortuna do Smaug segundo a Forbes

Também fiquei curioso pra saber como chegaram no valor do Smaug...:think:.
De onde tiraram essa estimativa???

Ah eu calcularia o tamanho e peso estimado do Smaug em relação ao tamanho da montanha de dinheiro obtendo assim o volume e peso de ouro na caverna, depois calcularia a média de valor de cada kilo de ouro em dólares X volume em kg e obteria um valor aproximado em doletas.

Eles devem ter feito algo assim.:mrgreen:
 
Ah eu calcularia o tamanho e peso estimado do Smaug em relação ao tamanho da montanha de dinheiro obtendo assim o volume e peso de ouro na caverna, depois calcularia a média de valor de cada kilo de ouro em dólares X volume em kg e obteria um valor aproximado em doletas.

Eles devem ter feito algo assim.:mrgreen:
Ou simplesmente chutaram.
 
Eu dei uma fuçada, e eis que descobri um artigo no blog da Forbes, onde um dos editores da revista explica como foi calculada a fortuna do Smaug. Até que eles fizeram um trabalho bacana (ao menos nesse caso).

Link do artigo: How much is a Dragon worth?

Eles calcularam três componentes do tesouro: ouro, diamantes e a Pedra Arken. Vou colocar aqui a parte mais interessante, o cálculo do ouro:

We know from the novel that Smaug’s wealth comes down to three primary components, the mound of silver and gold that he sleeps on, the diamonds and other precious gemstones encrusted in his underbelly, and the “Arkenstone of Thrain,” which is depicted as something like the Hope Diamond on steroids. (There are certainly other valuable items in Smaug’s hoard – rare suits of armor and so on – but the point of the exercise is to establish a minimum, conservative, net worth and the total value of a pile of ancient weaponry is probably no more than a rounding error in a fortune measured in the billions of dollars.)

Let’s start with the metals.

The book describes Smaug as “vast,” “centuries-old” and of a “red-golden color.” According to the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons’ site The Hypertext d20 SRD a true-dragon of that age and color measures around 64 feet from snout to tail. However, a great deal of that length is likely tail. By way of reference, Komodo Dragons are 70% tail by length, so we can estimate Smaug’s body to be approximately 19.2 feet long.

Dragons are long and narrow, so we can safely assume that Smaug can curl comfortably up on a treasure mound with same diameter as his body length – 19.2 feet.

How high is the mound? Well, at one point in The Hobbit, Bilbo climbs up and over the mound, and we know that Hobbits are approximately three feet tall. Assuming the mound is twice the height of Bilbo, we can say that the mound has a height of approximately 6 feet – like a six foot tall man climbing over a 12 foot mound of coins; substantial but not insurmountable.

To keep the math relatively simple and to avoid complications like integrating the partial volume of a sphere, we can approximate Smaug’s bed of gold and silver to be a cone, with a radius of 9.6 feet (1/2 the diameter) and a height of 7 feet (assuming the weight of the dragon will smush down the point of the cone by about a foot).

Now we can calculate the volume of Smaug’s treasure mound:

V= 1/3 π r2 h = 1/3 * π * 9.62 * 7 = 675.6 cubic feet

But, obviously, the mound isn’t solid gold and silver. We know it has a “great two-handled cups” in it – one of which Bilbo steals – and probably human remains, not to mention the air space between the coins. Let’s assume that the mound is 30% air and bones. That makes the volume of the hoard that is pure gold and silver coins 472.9 cubic feet.

We know that Bilbo eventually takes his cut of the treasure in two small-chests, one filled with gold and the other filled with silver, so it seems safe to assume that the hoard is approximately ½ gold and ½ silver, or 236.4 cubic feet of each metal.

A Kuggerrand, the South African Coin containing 1 troy ounce of pure gold, measures 32.6 mm in diameter and is 2.84 mm thick. Solving for the volume of a cylinder( V= π r2 h), then converting cubic millimeters to cubic inches, then cubic inches to cubic feet gives a volume of 8.371354e-05 (or 0.00008371354) square feet for a single coin, containing one ounce of gold.

Using similar logic, an American Silver Eagle coin (40.6 mm in diameter, 2.98 mm thick), which contains one troy ounce of silver, has a volume of 0.000136 square feet.

It’s then a trivial matter to determine the number of 1-ounce gold coins (2.8 million) and silver coins (1.7 million) in the heap. At the moment gold is trading at $1423.8/ounce and silver at $37.5/ounce making the gold coins worth a little more than $4 billion and the silver ones worth $65 million, or $4.1 billion for them combined.

Acho que vou traduzir isso tudo para publicar no site :think:
 
Eu dei uma fuçada, e eis que descobri um artigo no blog da Forbes, onde um dos editores da revista explica como foi calculada a fortuna do Smaug. Até que eles fizeram um trabalho bacana (ao menos nesse caso).

Link do artigo: How much is a Dragon worth?

Eles calcularam três componentes do tesouro: ouro, diamantes e a Pedra Arken. Vou colocar aqui a parte mais interessante, o cálculo do ouro:

We know from the novel that Smaug’s wealth comes down to three primary components, the mound of silver and gold that he sleeps on, the diamonds and other precious gemstones encrusted in his underbelly, and the “Arkenstone of Thrain,” which is depicted as something like the Hope Diamond on steroids. (There are certainly other valuable items in Smaug’s hoard – rare suits of armor and so on – but the point of the exercise is to establish a minimum, conservative, net worth and the total value of a pile of ancient weaponry is probably no more than a rounding error in a fortune measured in the billions of dollars.)

Let’s start with the metals.

The book describes Smaug as “vast,” “centuries-old” and of a “red-golden color.” According to the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons’ site The Hypertext d20 SRD a true-dragon of that age and color measures around 64 feet from snout to tail. However, a great deal of that length is likely tail. By way of reference, Komodo Dragons are 70% tail by length, so we can estimate Smaug’s body to be approximately 19.2 feet long.

Dragons are long and narrow, so we can safely assume that Smaug can curl comfortably up on a treasure mound with same diameter as his body length – 19.2 feet.

How high is the mound? Well, at one point in The Hobbit, Bilbo climbs up and over the mound, and we know that Hobbits are approximately three feet tall. Assuming the mound is twice the height of Bilbo, we can say that the mound has a height of approximately 6 feet – like a six foot tall man climbing over a 12 foot mound of coins; substantial but not insurmountable.

To keep the math relatively simple and to avoid complications like integrating the partial volume of a sphere, we can approximate Smaug’s bed of gold and silver to be a cone, with a radius of 9.6 feet (1/2 the diameter) and a height of 7 feet (assuming the weight of the dragon will smush down the point of the cone by about a foot).

Now we can calculate the volume of Smaug’s treasure mound:

V= 1/3 π r2 h = 1/3 * π * 9.62 * 7 = 675.6 cubic feet

But, obviously, the mound isn’t solid gold and silver. We know it has a “great two-handled cups” in it – one of which Bilbo steals – and probably human remains, not to mention the air space between the coins. Let’s assume that the mound is 30% air and bones. That makes the volume of the hoard that is pure gold and silver coins 472.9 cubic feet.

We know that Bilbo eventually takes his cut of the treasure in two small-chests, one filled with gold and the other filled with silver, so it seems safe to assume that the hoard is approximately ½ gold and ½ silver, or 236.4 cubic feet of each metal.

A Kuggerrand, the South African Coin containing 1 troy ounce of pure gold, measures 32.6 mm in diameter and is 2.84 mm thick. Solving for the volume of a cylinder( V= π r2 h), then converting cubic millimeters to cubic inches, then cubic inches to cubic feet gives a volume of 8.371354e-05 (or 0.00008371354) square feet for a single coin, containing one ounce of gold.

Using similar logic, an American Silver Eagle coin (40.6 mm in diameter, 2.98 mm thick), which contains one troy ounce of silver, has a volume of 0.000136 square feet.

It’s then a trivial matter to determine the number of 1-ounce gold coins (2.8 million) and silver coins (1.7 million) in the heap. At the moment gold is trading at $1423.8/ounce and silver at $37.5/ounce making the gold coins worth a little more than $4 billion and the silver ones worth $65 million, or $4.1 billion for them combined.

Acho que vou traduzir isso tudo para publicar no site :think:

Olha, legal o cálculo deles. Melhor impossível.
Curti.

Não sabia que o Smaug era considerado um dragão vermelho no D&D.
 
Se eu fosse boa em matemática eu entenderia os cálculos.

Porém, meu comentário em relação ao artigo da Forbes é: por que os vampiros de Crepúsculo são mais ricos do que boa parte dos -bons- personagens de ficção? Isso é meio deprimente.
 
Se eu fosse boa em matemática eu entenderia os cálculos.

Porém, meu comentário em relação ao artigo da Forbes é: por que os vampiros de Crepúsculo são mais ricos do que boa parte dos -bons- personagens de ficção? Isso é meio deprimente.


A explicação da Forbes é que eles teriam muuuuuuuuitas décadas deacúmulo material e de aplicações financeiras
 
É, nesse eles viajaram mesmo.
Mesmo levando em consideração os preços dos carros, da casa, o fato deles não gastarem muito dinheiro com comida e etc, duvido que eles sejam tão ricos assim.
 
Eu não sei inglês fluente, mas recorri ao google traductor, a tradução logicamente não é das melhores mas ajuda a entender. O que não entendi são a fórmulas que definitivamente não lembro mais delas, afinal, minha área é humanas não exatas, mas tenho certeza que aprendi isso entre o primeiro e terceiro ano colegial.

De qualquer forma, realmente foi um saída muito criativa e interessante!:yep:
 
Eu não sei inglês fluente, mas recorri ao google traductor, a tradução logicamente não é das melhores mas ajuda a entender. O que não entendi são a fórmulas que definitivamente não lembro mais delas, afinal, minha área é humanas não exatas, mas tenho certeza que aprendi isso entre o primeiro e terceiro ano colegial.

De qualquer forma, realmente foi um saída muito criativa e interessante!:yep:

Se você se refere ao artigo do Smaug, eu traduzi ele aqui: http://www.valinor.com.br/16766
 

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