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Wikileaks revela gravíssima sabotagem dos EUA contra Brasil com aval de FHC

Tópico em 'Atualidades e Generalidades' iniciado por Morfindel Werwulf Rúnarmo, 3 Abr 2013.

  1. Morfindel Werwulf Rúnarmo

    Morfindel Werwulf Rúnarmo Geofísico entende de terremoto

    [h=2]Telegramas revelam intenções de veto e ações dos EUA contra o desenvolvimento tecnológico brasileiro com interesses de diversos agentes que ocupam ou ocuparam o poder em ambos os países[/h]

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    Os telegramas da diplomacia dos EUA revelados pelo Wikileaks revelaram que a Casa Branca toma ações concretas para impedir, dificultar e sabotar o desenvolvimento tecnológico brasileiro em duas áreas estratégicas: energia nuclear e tecnologia espacial. Em ambos os casos, observa-se o papel anti-nacional da grande mídia brasileira, bem como escancara-se, também sem surpresa, a função desempenhada pelo ex-presidente Fernando Henrique Cardoso, colhido em uma exuberante sintonia com os interesses estratégicos do Departamento de Estado dos EUA, ao tempo em que exibe problemática posição em relação à independência tecnológica brasileira. Segue o artigo do jornalista Beto Almeida.

    O primeiro dos telegramas divulgados, datado de 2009, conta que o governo dos EUA pressionou autoridades ucranianas para emperrar o desenvolvimento do projeto conjunto Brasil-Ucrânia de implantação da plataforma de lançamento dos foguetes Cyclone-4 – de fabricação ucraniana – no Centro de Lançamentos de Alcântara , no Maranhão.

    Veto imperial

    O telegrama do diplomata americano no Brasil, Clifford Sobel, enviado aos EUA em fevereiro daquele ano, relata que os representantes ucranianos, através de sua embaixada no Brasil, fizeram gestões para que o governo americano revisse a posição de boicote ao uso de Alcântara para o lançamento de qualquer satélite fabricado nos EUA. A resposta americana foi clara. A missão em Brasília deveria comunicar ao embaixador ucraniano, Volodymyr Lakomov, que os EUA “não quer” nenhuma transferência de tecnologia espacial para o Brasil.

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  2. ricardo campos

    ricardo campos Debochado!

    ex-presidente Fernando Henrique Cardoso :oops: 8-O Caiu a mascara senhor futuro membro da ABL.
     
  3. Fëanor

    Fëanor Fnord Usuário Premium

    E cadê os links do wikileaks?
     
  4. Omykron

    Omykron far above

    nunca existirá
     
  5. adrieldantas

    adrieldantas Relax and have some winey

    E pra quem pensa que o Brasil tá isento de certas coisas...
     
  6. Éomer

    Éomer Well-Known Member

    Eu fiquei curioso para ler o texto dos telegramas. Disponibiliza aí Morfindel.
     
  7. Fëanor

    Fëanor Fnord Usuário Premium

    Pois é. Aí ficamos só com um texto que faz sua própria interpretação dos supostos documentos. Que beleza.
     
  8. Conan

    Conan Cavaleiro Pendragon

    Realmente não encontrei fonte dos documentos, nem no site do Wikileaks...
     
  9. Ranza

    Ranza Macaco

    Eu também fiquei bem curioso para ler esses documentos.
    Vou tentar dar uma procurada aqui, se achar eu posto aqui.


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    ¶1. (SBU) SUMMARY: On May 29, Brazil launched a research rocket from the Alcantara Launch Center (CLA) in the northeastern state of Maranhao. Brazilian officials are considering the launch a success for the Brazilian space program, and an important step toward putting a satellite into orbit. Brazil plans to launch three more rockets in 2009, with the hopes that in 2010 it will become the first Latin American country to put a satellite into space. END SUMMARY.
    ¶2. (SBU) On May 29, 2009 Brazil launched a 19 ft. long Orion rocket from its Alcantara Launch Center (CLA) in the northeastern state of Maranhao under the mission name "Maracati 1." The Brazilian Space Agency reports that the rocket traveled 93km (57.8 miles) into the atmosphere before falling back into the ocean. Both the Brazilian Space Agency and the military are calling the launch a "total success." The rocket was equipped with tracking equipment to gather data during the flight for use in future launches.
    ¶3. (SBU) Brazil plans to launch three more rockets from CLA in 2009: one in July, one in September and one in November. One of these launches will send a Brazilian sounding rocket (VSB-30) 200km above earth’s surface to gather further flight data. These launches will be completed in preparation for a July 2010 launch in which Brazil hopes to put a satellite into orbit aboard a Cyclone 4 rocket. If successful, the 2010 launch will mark the first time a Latin American country has accomplished this technical feat.
    ¶4. (SBU) The May 29 launch comes after a two year hiatus. The last launch at CLA was in July 2007 using a sounding rocket. Even though key components of the rocket were never recovered, Brazil considered the launch a success. Since its inception in 1994, the Brazilian Space Agency has attempted several times to launch a satellite into space, but has yet to succeed. Brazil tried to launch a satellite on two occasions, one in 1997 and another 1999, but both rockets exploded shortly after take-off. In 2003, Brazil attempted to send two satellites into space using one launch vehicle, but an explosion caused by a premature ignition of the rocket killed 21 people, and destroyed the launch pad.
    ¶5. (SBU) The facility at Alcantara is the world’s closest launch facility to the equator. This unique feature allows engineers to reduce fuel consumption by using the earth’s centripetal force to aid in the rocket’s assent. Although the Brazilian Space Agency uses the Alcantara facilities for launch research, the site is operated by the Brazilian Air Force.
    ¶6. (SBU) These launches are made possible through the extensive assistance provided by the Ukrainians via the Ukrainian-Brazilian joint venture Alcantara Cyclone Space, which was created in 2002. The Ukrainians had the responsibility for reconstructing the damaged launch facility, including the launch pad, while the Brazilians provided and improved the transportation infrastructure to the launch site.
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    ¶1. (C) On February 6, 2009, Environment, Science and Technology, and Health (ESTH) Counselor and Assistant Air Attache delivered the USG response (REFTEL A) to the Ukrainian proposal (REFTEL B) to help the United States obtain Brazilian congressional approval of the 2000 U.S.-Brazil Technology Safeguards Agreement (TSA). Ukrainian Ambassador Volodymyr Lakomov and Rustam Akhunov, First Secretary, went over the matter twice to make sure they had the message right. By the end of the meeting, while disappointed, they clearly understood that the USG did not want Ukraine to seek to persuade members of the Brazilian congress to support ratification of the 2000 TSA.
    ¶2. (C) NOTE. A dispute with a local community, called a "quilombo" composed of descendents of runaway slaves, over land at the Alcantara site has led to delays in the plans of Alcantara Cyclone Space (a Ukrainian-Brazilian joint venture) to begin launches by 2011. In the past, the Ukrainians have suggested that the USG might be responsible for stirring up the quilombo with the aim to thwart their joint venture. In a similar vein, at the February 6 meeting they asked whether the USG was behind some buoys that had been recently discovered near Alcantara that supposedly had electronic equipment in them, which could possibly be used to collect telemetry information from any space launch vehicles launched from Alcantara. END NOTE.
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    ¶1. (C) SUMMARY. The Ukrainian Embassy in Brasilia is urging the USG to reconsider its earlier position and now support the Ukrainian-Brazilian space launch venture that will operate out of Alcantara, allowing U.S. satellite firms to benefit from these facilities. While the Ukrainians noted some possible commercial and other benefits to the United States, they stressed that the principal reason for the USG to agree to this request is to help keep the Russians out of the space launch field in Brazil. Post would appreciate Washington’s guidance on how to respond to the Ukrainians about this request. END SUMMARY.
    ¶2. (C) The Ukrainian Defense Attache in Brasilia, Brazil, requested a meeting with Embassy staff to discuss space cooperation. Accordingly, on December 12 Assistant Air Attache Mark Harrington and Science Counselor Richard Driscoll met with Ukrainian Ambassador Volodymyr Lakomov, Oleksandr Serdyuk, the General Director for Alcantara Cyclone Space (a Ukrainian-Brazilian joint venture), and the Rustam Akhunov, First Secretary at the Ukrainian Embassy. The Ukrainians want USG support for the Alcantara project. They noted that when Ukraine had raised the subject earlier with the USG that the response had been that we would not support (though not necessarily oppose it). Now, Ukraine would like the USG to revisit that decision.
    ¶3. (C) Serdyuk outlined three principal reasons why the USG should be supportive of the Ukraine-Brazil project. First, he said that Ukraine could use its influence with the Brazilian Congress to obtain approval for the long-stalled U.S.-Brazil space cooperation agreement regarding Alcantara. When asked to elaborate, he said there are many in the Brazilian Congress who are friendly towards Ukraine and he could win them over to support ratification of the agreement with the United States. Second, he noted that Ukraine was working with a U.S. firm, Orbital Science, hinting that if this project ever got off the ground that the U.S. firm Orbital Science could benefit commercially. Also, he said U.S. satellite firms may find it much less expensive to use the Alcantara facility than other options. He estimated a cost savings of up to 30 percent. Third, the Ukrainians repeatedly emphasized that if this space cooperation activity with Brazil did not start making some headway that the Brazilians would turn to the Russians waiting in the wings. (SEE REFTEL ABOUT RUSSIAN PRESIDENT MEDVEDEV’S RECENT VISIT TO BRAZIL.)
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    ¶4. (C) The Ukrainians briefed Embassy officers on developments at Alcantara. Serdyuk highlighted the ideal location of this launch facility, which was at 2.3 degrees South and so, less expensive for launching satellites into geostationary orbits. The Ukrainians have a launcher, the Cyclone 2, which can carry a payload of up to 1,600 kilograms or 5.3 tons into orbit. Ukraine will provide the launch vehicles in this joint venture; Brazil will provide basic infrastructure, such as seaport, airport, and roads. They both would work on construction of the launch site. Following a serious accident at the Alcantara site on August 22, 2003, which put the joint venture on hold for years, both sides are now trying to move forward. Brazil has been grappling with a land title problem because a local community descended from runaway slaves (called a quilombo) has claimed the original site. Serdyuk reported that the Brazilian government has decided to construct a new launch site in a nearby locale, abandoning the initial site. The Brazilian side of activities at Alcantara is handled by CTA, which is an entity of the Brazilian Air Force.
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    ¶6. (C) The Ukrainians want to know if the USG will reconsider its earlier decision and agree to support the Ukraine-Brazil joint venture by allowing them to launch U.S. satellites. While the Ukrainians highlighted the benefits to the United States, their principle argument was that if the USG doesn’t take this step, then the Russians will fill the void and become the chief partner for Brazil on space cooperation. As noted in REFTEL, Brazil-Russia space launch cooperation has high level political support. Ukrainian protestations notwithstanding, it is unlikely that Brazil sees cooperation with Ukraine and Russia as an either/or proposition.
    ¶7. (U) Post would appreciate Washington’s guidance on how to respond to the Ukrainian request for USG support or involvement in the Ukrainian-Brazilian space launch joint venture.
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    Bem galera, isso foi o que encontrei de um site chamado politica externa, dei uma lida rápida, a noite prometo ler melhor.
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  10. Tar-Mairon

    Tar-Mairon DARK LORD AND LOVING DAD

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    Enquanto isto, na Coréia do Norte... Bom, mais uma vez comprovo que, em termos de política externa, raras vezes uma super potência foi tão estúpida quanto os EUA.

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  11. Duan HoW

    Duan HoW Usuário

    Falando em Coréia do Norte, ta aí uma coisa que nunca intendi : Os EUA serem totalmente contra a fabricação e porte de armas nucleares; sendo que eles mesmo tem de monte
     
  12. Felagund

    Felagund Well-Known Member

    Pois é.
    Na década de90 assinaram lá o tratado de não proliferação de armas nucleares, porém não aceitam se livrar das próprias
    Ou seja, o tratado só serviu para formar uma "elite" mundial de países que fizeram misseis nucleares antes do tratado (EUA, URSS, China, França, Reino Unido, Israel, India e Paquistão) e proibiu países que ainda nao fizeram de fazer (como agora a Coréia e o Irã).
    Pior é que os EUA deu aval para a Africa do Sul fazer armas nucleares durante o governo do aparthaid, pq ela tinha uma "justificativa justa" de se proteger das nações negras e hostis ao governo deles.
     
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  13. Grimnir

    Grimnir Usuário

    Acho que é mais ou menos isso que o Felagund disse. A impressão é que hoje ainda vivemos um equilíbrio de desconfiança, onde o uso da tecnologia nuclear deve ser firmemente regulado. A sua dúvida, Duan How, é totalmente pertinente. Se os EUA não querem que outros países tenham armas nucleares pq isso representa uma ameaça, então pq os EUA podem representar uma ameaça para os outros países? A própria idéia de contruir uma arma nuclear não faz muito sentido, mas em todo caso, a situação na qual vivemos hoje é algo do tipo: "Somente os bons e democráticos podem ter armas nucleares". O que é obviamente uma grande besteira, primeiro pq ninguém tem o monopólio da tecnologia e segundo pq "bom e democrático"... pfvr, né? O vídeo abaixo é da The Economist e fala sobre o estado atual das armas nucleares entre EUA e Rússia. Fiquem a vontade para desconfiar dos número oficiais...

     
  14. [F*U*S*A*|KåMµ§]

    [F*U*S*A*|KåMµ§] Who will define me?

    Eu acho que mais do que possuir armas nucleares, os EUA foram os únicos na história até hoje que utilizaram duas para dizimar cidades civis inteiras.
     
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  15. Morfindel Werwulf Rúnarmo

    Morfindel Werwulf Rúnarmo Geofísico entende de terremoto

    Que eu saiba só eles mesmos fizeram isso.
     

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