Shagrat_O Destemido
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Gostaria de saber qual a diferença entre Goblins e Orcs ,pois assisti denovo a sociedadedo anel e notei que em Moria naum sao orcs e sim goblins !!!
Vcs poderian me ajudar ??
Vcs poderian me ajudar ??
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Goblins e Orcs
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Ka Bral o Negro
Tchokwe Pós-Moderno
Goblins são orcs menores, naturais de Mordor. Uruks são orcs de uma espécie maior e mais agressiva. Orcs são toda a espécie maligna criada nos tempos de Morgoth.
Fëanarsil
O Espírito de Fogo Brilhante
Até onde sei, não há mta diferença entre os dois, acredito que apenas no tamanho mesmo, orcs são um pouco mais robustos q goblins, mas como disse fingolfin, essa denominação apenas é usada no O Hobbit, nos outros livros não há uma especificação, apenas a diferença entre Orcs e Uruks...
Fëa...
Fëa...
Ka Bral o Negro
Tchokwe Pós-Moderno
Mas, quando do episódio de Sam e Frodo em Mordor, estes são rastreados por dois orcs, um menor, farejador, e um maior, de uma casta guerreira.
No capítulo, "A Terra da Sombra": "De repente dois orcs surgiram. Um estava vestido em farrapos castanhos e armado com um arco de chifre: era de uma raça pequena, tinha pele negra e vinha farejando com as largas narinas: evidentemente algum tipo de batedor. O outro era um grande orc lutador..."
No capítulo, "A Terra da Sombra": "De repente dois orcs surgiram. Um estava vestido em farrapos castanhos e armado com um arco de chifre: era de uma raça pequena, tinha pele negra e vinha farejando com as largas narinas: evidentemente algum tipo de batedor. O outro era um grande orc lutador..."
Fingolfin
Feitiço de Áquila
Oq prova que orcs e goblins passam a ser tratados como a mesma coisa, pois mesmo a "raça pequena" é chamada de orc e não de goblin, já que Tolkien abandona isso. Existiam vários tipos de orcs, mas goblin só é usado como a raça pequena deles n'O Hobbit.
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What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?
From: The Tolkien FAQ by William D.B. Loos
They are different names for the same race of creatures. Of the two, "Orc" is the correct one. This has been a matter of widespread debate and misunderstanding, mostly resulting from the usage in the The Hobbit (Tolkien had changed his mind about it by The Lord of the Rings but the confusion in the earlier book was made worse by inconsistent backwards modifications). There are a couple of statements in the The Hobbit which, if taken literally, suggest that Orcs are a subset of goblins. If we are to believe the indications from all other areas of Tolkien's writing, this is not correct. These are: some fairly clear statements in letters, the evolution of his standard terminology (see next paragraph), and the actual usage in The Lord of the Rings, all of which suggest that "Orc" was the true name of the race. (The pedigrees in Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia are thoroughly inaccurate and undependable.)
What happened was this. The creatures so referred to were invented along with the rest of Tolkien's subcreation during the writing of the Book of Lost Tales (the pre-The Silmarillion). His usage in the early writing is somewhat varied but the movement is away from "goblin" and towards "orc". It was part of a general trend away from the terminology of traditional folklore (he felt that the familiar words would call up the wrong associations in the readers' minds, since his creations were quite different in specific ways). For the same general reasons he began calling the Deep Elves "Noldor" rather than "Gnomes", and avoided "Faerie" altogether. (On the other hand, he was stuck with "Wizards", an "imperfect" translation of Istari ('the Wise'), "Elves", and "Dwarves"; he did say once that he would have preferred "dwarrow", which, so he said, was more historically and linguistically correct, if he'd thought of it in time...)
In the The Hobbit, which originally was unconnected with the The Silmarillion, he used the familiar term "goblin" for the benefit of modern readers. By the time of The Lord of the Rings, however, he'd decided that "goblin" wouldn't do - Orcs were not storybook goblins (see above). (No doubt he also felt that "goblin", being Romance-derived, had no place in a work based so much on Anglo-Saxon and Northern traditions in general.) Thus, in The Lord of the Rings, the proper name of the race is "Orcs" (capital "O"), and that name is found in the index along with Ents, Men, etc., while "goblin" is not in the index at all. There are a handful of examples of "goblin" being used (always with a small "g") but it seems in these cases to be a kind of slang for Orcs.
Tolkien's explanation inside the story was that the "true" name of the creatures was Orc (an anglicised version of Sindarin Orch , pl. Yrch). As the "translator" of the ancient manuscripts, he "substituted" "Goblin" for "Orch" when he translated Bilbo's diary, but for The Red Book he reverted to a form of the ancient word.
[The actual source of the word "orc" is Beowulf: "orc-nass", translated as "death-corpses". It has nothing to do with cetaceans.]
Um Ensaio pra quem sabe ingles ler sobre o assunto
What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?
From: The Tolkien FAQ by William D.B. Loos
They are different names for the same race of creatures. Of the two, "Orc" is the correct one. This has been a matter of widespread debate and misunderstanding, mostly resulting from the usage in the The Hobbit (Tolkien had changed his mind about it by The Lord of the Rings but the confusion in the earlier book was made worse by inconsistent backwards modifications). There are a couple of statements in the The Hobbit which, if taken literally, suggest that Orcs are a subset of goblins. If we are to believe the indications from all other areas of Tolkien's writing, this is not correct. These are: some fairly clear statements in letters, the evolution of his standard terminology (see next paragraph), and the actual usage in The Lord of the Rings, all of which suggest that "Orc" was the true name of the race. (The pedigrees in Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia are thoroughly inaccurate and undependable.)
What happened was this. The creatures so referred to were invented along with the rest of Tolkien's subcreation during the writing of the Book of Lost Tales (the pre-The Silmarillion). His usage in the early writing is somewhat varied but the movement is away from "goblin" and towards "orc". It was part of a general trend away from the terminology of traditional folklore (he felt that the familiar words would call up the wrong associations in the readers' minds, since his creations were quite different in specific ways). For the same general reasons he began calling the Deep Elves "Noldor" rather than "Gnomes", and avoided "Faerie" altogether. (On the other hand, he was stuck with "Wizards", an "imperfect" translation of Istari ('the Wise'), "Elves", and "Dwarves"; he did say once that he would have preferred "dwarrow", which, so he said, was more historically and linguistically correct, if he'd thought of it in time...)
In the The Hobbit, which originally was unconnected with the The Silmarillion, he used the familiar term "goblin" for the benefit of modern readers. By the time of The Lord of the Rings, however, he'd decided that "goblin" wouldn't do - Orcs were not storybook goblins (see above). (No doubt he also felt that "goblin", being Romance-derived, had no place in a work based so much on Anglo-Saxon and Northern traditions in general.) Thus, in The Lord of the Rings, the proper name of the race is "Orcs" (capital "O"), and that name is found in the index along with Ents, Men, etc., while "goblin" is not in the index at all. There are a handful of examples of "goblin" being used (always with a small "g") but it seems in these cases to be a kind of slang for Orcs.
Tolkien's explanation inside the story was that the "true" name of the creatures was Orc (an anglicised version of Sindarin Orch , pl. Yrch). As the "translator" of the ancient manuscripts, he "substituted" "Goblin" for "Orch" when he translated Bilbo's diary, but for The Red Book he reverted to a form of the ancient word.
[The actual source of the word "orc" is Beowulf: "orc-nass", translated as "death-corpses". It has nothing to do with cetaceans.]
juninho_kkursk
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tipo pelo filme naum se nota mta diferença entre os 2....a unica coisa q chama mais atencao eh q os goblins andam tipo macacos no filme....
agora flando rpgisticamente ( bunita essa palavra neh? ), os goblins saum menores e mais fracos... soh q mais inteligentes e c agrupam facilmente....
no filme isso acontecepros 2...axo q pro tolkien naum tem diferenca
agora flando rpgisticamente ( bunita essa palavra neh? ), os goblins saum menores e mais fracos... soh q mais inteligentes e c agrupam facilmente....
no filme isso acontecepros 2...axo q pro tolkien naum tem diferenca
Tauraherion
The eyes of truth
Again, como o fingolfin falou, não existe a diferença entre goblin e orc no SDA... Tolkien abandonou isso quando escreveu e revisou o livro.
Basicamente ele transformou o que chamava de goblin em uma raça de orcs mais fracos do que os uruks
Basicamente ele transformou o que chamava de goblin em uma raça de orcs mais fracos do que os uruks
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