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Doctor Who (7ª Temporada)
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- Data de Criação
Tilion
Administrador
Não deve mudar nada na contagem. O War Doctor deve ser um 8.5, criado pra ter um papel mais ativo na Time War.
Resta saber se por algum milagre vão mostrar o 8.5 se regenerando no 9.
Pips
Old School.
Acho difícil, lembro que o Eccleston não aceitou o retorno para o especial de 50 anos - só se é tudo mentira para rolar uma surpresa.
Bruce Torres
Let's be alone together.
E o mais bacana: The Night of the Doctor saiu justamente no aniversário do McGann. 
Yulien
Usuário
Eu também tava pensando sobre a gente estar na contagem certa, assim o Capaldi seria o 13° e a gente teria chegado no número máximo de regenerações! Eu vi o filme do 8, ele é tão doce e legal, muito diferente do Nine, então o Hurt explicaria muita coisa! Aliás, quem aqui vai ver o Especial no Cinema? Morrendo de felicidade porque vou ! 
Bel
o.O
Explicações: http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/11/doctor-who-making-sense-of-the-night-of-the-doctor/
Well. When it was announced that the upcoming 50th anniversary Doctor Whospecial would be preceded by an online “minisode,” few fans could have expected that the prequel would hold quite so much significance to the overarching mythology of the show’s past. With so much happening in the episode’s seven-minute running time—frankly, it feels like a story that could quite happily have been told over the course of a full-length episode—we thought some of you might appreciate a run-down of some of the elements you might have missed, or that newer fans might not recognize.
Warning: for obvious reasons, this post is spoiler heavy, so do not read any further until you’ve watched the prequel! Look, here it is again, so you really have no excuse not to watch before reading on:
“But probably not the one you were expecting…”
So, then. Just in case you don’t know, the Doctor featured in the minisode isn’tMatt Smith, or David Tennant, or even John Hurt. It’s Paul McGann, who played the role of the Eighth Doctor in the BBC/Fox co-produced TV movie back in 1996. Although only appearing on television once before, the Eighth Doctor has become firmly entrenched in Doctor Who lore in the 17 years since, courtesy of his appearances in more than 70 officially-licensed audio plays for production company Big Finish, along with a similar number of BBC Books adventures and a long-running Doctor Who Magazine comic strip.
“The Night of the Doctor,” however, is the first time Eight has been seen in person since 1996—and finally, the question that has plagued fans since the series returned in 2005, of how McGann’s incarnation met his end, has been answered. What’s more, the actor is finally getting to play the role without the incredibly uncomfortable wig he wore back in the TV movie—and in a costume that is a smart re-imagining of his former green frock coat, brown waistcoat and cravat look.
“Go back to your battlefield!”
The Time Lords—with certain honorable exceptions—have never exactly been presented as the friendliest of races, right from the moment they were introduced in “The War Games” in 1969 and summarily forced a regeneration upon the Second Doctor as a punishment for his wanderings. In 2009′s “The End of Time,” meanwhile, their higher council were shown to have developed a particularly ruthless and aggressive streak while in the throes of the epic Time War with the Daleks.
This, however, is the first time we’ve seen their actions in the Time War inspire genuine fear in people other than the Doctor – and that we’ve seen him actually tainted by association with them. The idea that a potential companion would rather die than join the Doctor in the TARDIS is a shocking moment for those of us who are used to seeing him and his ship as a safe haven, and a brilliantly clever twist by writer Steven Moffat.
“Keepers of the flame of utter boredom”
Okay, first off—sorry to disappoint, but it’s “Karn”, not “KHAAAAAAN!” The planet upon which the Doctor fatally crash lands is a former colony of Gallifrey, and is home to the Sisterhood of Karn. This mysterious order were introduced in the classic Fourth Doctor serial “The Brain of Morbius,” and guard the Elixir of Life, a liquid that—among other properties—grants extended life and heals injuries. While it has a history of being used by Time Lords going through difficult or painful regenerations, this is the first time we’ve learned that it can actually be used to trigger and control the regenerative process.
It’s worth remembering at this point that, thanks to the retrospective introduction of John Hurt’s Doctor, when Peter Capaldi takes over the role next year he will be the last of the Doctor’s thirteen (initially) available bodies. (Have we seen the last of the Sisterhood and the Elixir?)
“Friends, companions I’ve known, I salute you”
The Eighth Doctor only had one on-screen companion—San Franciscan surgeon Grace Holloway—and even she didn’t actually end up traveling with him. In assorted spin-off media, however, he’s had countless companions over the years – and in a surprising and unprecedented move, “The Night of the Doctor” sees fit to make several of them “canonical” in relation to the TV series.
Specifically, the Doctor recalls all five of his regular companions from the aforementioned Big Finish stories: Charley Pollard, C’rizz, Lucie Miller, Tamsin Drew and Molly O’Sullivan. His paying tribute to them before his regeneration is a particularly poignant moment, as only Charley and Molly actually survived traveling with him. The various companions featured in the novels and comic strips, however, don’t get a look-in, leaving their canonicity uncertain.
“The change doesn’t have to be random”
The idea that Time Lords are capable of choosing their next form is unusual, but it’s not without precedent: at the beginning of 1979′s “Destiny of the Daleks”, the Fourth Doctor’s companion Romana “tried on” several bodies, before settling on the form of Princess Astra—a character previously played by new actress Lalla Ward. What is new, however, is the revelation that it’s something the Doctor has ever chosen to do—it’s never even been clear before whether he was capable of it. Perhaps this is a one-time only deal, thanks to the Elixir —but it still flies in the face of a lot of what we thought we knew about his lives.
After the lengthy debate about whether the Twelfth Doctor should be played by a female actress, meanwhile, it would appear that the line “Man or woman” is confirmation that, at least as far as Steven Moffat is concerned, the possibility should not be ruled out for the future.
“Doctor no more”
And so, we finally know what to call John Hurt’s character: The War Doctor. The fact that he doesn’t identify as “the Doctor”—because he’s no longer a healer, instead choosing to serve this regeneration as a warrior in the Time War—means that although everybody from Christopher Eccleston‘s Doctor onwards is one regeneration later than we thought, Matt Smith is still the “Eleventh Doctor,” and so on. It’s nice to have that cleared up now, so that “The Day of the Doctor” doesn’t need to spend too much time dealing with it.
Obviously we’ll find out a lot more about Hurt’s Doctor in the special itself, but perhaps the most notable—and surprising—revelation is that after his regeneration, he’s in a younger body. This raises the question of just how long the Time War actually went on, and just how old the Doctor actually is. We already know that the Eleventh Doctor lived for over 200 years without visibly aging by more than a handful—so if the War Doctor was able to age so much, he must have been around for significantly longer than that, right? And yet if he was, how does this fit in with the Ninth Doctor’s stated age of 900? Is he simply not including the years spent as the War Doctor?
Perhaps we’ll find out the answer to this, along with the many other questions the prequel throws up, on November 23…
Warning: for obvious reasons, this post is spoiler heavy, so do not read any further until you’ve watched the prequel! Look, here it is again, so you really have no excuse not to watch before reading on:
“But probably not the one you were expecting…”
So, then. Just in case you don’t know, the Doctor featured in the minisode isn’tMatt Smith, or David Tennant, or even John Hurt. It’s Paul McGann, who played the role of the Eighth Doctor in the BBC/Fox co-produced TV movie back in 1996. Although only appearing on television once before, the Eighth Doctor has become firmly entrenched in Doctor Who lore in the 17 years since, courtesy of his appearances in more than 70 officially-licensed audio plays for production company Big Finish, along with a similar number of BBC Books adventures and a long-running Doctor Who Magazine comic strip.
“The Night of the Doctor,” however, is the first time Eight has been seen in person since 1996—and finally, the question that has plagued fans since the series returned in 2005, of how McGann’s incarnation met his end, has been answered. What’s more, the actor is finally getting to play the role without the incredibly uncomfortable wig he wore back in the TV movie—and in a costume that is a smart re-imagining of his former green frock coat, brown waistcoat and cravat look.
“Go back to your battlefield!”
The Time Lords—with certain honorable exceptions—have never exactly been presented as the friendliest of races, right from the moment they were introduced in “The War Games” in 1969 and summarily forced a regeneration upon the Second Doctor as a punishment for his wanderings. In 2009′s “The End of Time,” meanwhile, their higher council were shown to have developed a particularly ruthless and aggressive streak while in the throes of the epic Time War with the Daleks.
This, however, is the first time we’ve seen their actions in the Time War inspire genuine fear in people other than the Doctor – and that we’ve seen him actually tainted by association with them. The idea that a potential companion would rather die than join the Doctor in the TARDIS is a shocking moment for those of us who are used to seeing him and his ship as a safe haven, and a brilliantly clever twist by writer Steven Moffat.
“Keepers of the flame of utter boredom”
Okay, first off—sorry to disappoint, but it’s “Karn”, not “KHAAAAAAN!” The planet upon which the Doctor fatally crash lands is a former colony of Gallifrey, and is home to the Sisterhood of Karn. This mysterious order were introduced in the classic Fourth Doctor serial “The Brain of Morbius,” and guard the Elixir of Life, a liquid that—among other properties—grants extended life and heals injuries. While it has a history of being used by Time Lords going through difficult or painful regenerations, this is the first time we’ve learned that it can actually be used to trigger and control the regenerative process.
It’s worth remembering at this point that, thanks to the retrospective introduction of John Hurt’s Doctor, when Peter Capaldi takes over the role next year he will be the last of the Doctor’s thirteen (initially) available bodies. (Have we seen the last of the Sisterhood and the Elixir?)
“Friends, companions I’ve known, I salute you”
The Eighth Doctor only had one on-screen companion—San Franciscan surgeon Grace Holloway—and even she didn’t actually end up traveling with him. In assorted spin-off media, however, he’s had countless companions over the years – and in a surprising and unprecedented move, “The Night of the Doctor” sees fit to make several of them “canonical” in relation to the TV series.
Specifically, the Doctor recalls all five of his regular companions from the aforementioned Big Finish stories: Charley Pollard, C’rizz, Lucie Miller, Tamsin Drew and Molly O’Sullivan. His paying tribute to them before his regeneration is a particularly poignant moment, as only Charley and Molly actually survived traveling with him. The various companions featured in the novels and comic strips, however, don’t get a look-in, leaving their canonicity uncertain.
“The change doesn’t have to be random”
The idea that Time Lords are capable of choosing their next form is unusual, but it’s not without precedent: at the beginning of 1979′s “Destiny of the Daleks”, the Fourth Doctor’s companion Romana “tried on” several bodies, before settling on the form of Princess Astra—a character previously played by new actress Lalla Ward. What is new, however, is the revelation that it’s something the Doctor has ever chosen to do—it’s never even been clear before whether he was capable of it. Perhaps this is a one-time only deal, thanks to the Elixir —but it still flies in the face of a lot of what we thought we knew about his lives.
After the lengthy debate about whether the Twelfth Doctor should be played by a female actress, meanwhile, it would appear that the line “Man or woman” is confirmation that, at least as far as Steven Moffat is concerned, the possibility should not be ruled out for the future.
“Doctor no more”
And so, we finally know what to call John Hurt’s character: The War Doctor. The fact that he doesn’t identify as “the Doctor”—because he’s no longer a healer, instead choosing to serve this regeneration as a warrior in the Time War—means that although everybody from Christopher Eccleston‘s Doctor onwards is one regeneration later than we thought, Matt Smith is still the “Eleventh Doctor,” and so on. It’s nice to have that cleared up now, so that “The Day of the Doctor” doesn’t need to spend too much time dealing with it.
Obviously we’ll find out a lot more about Hurt’s Doctor in the special itself, but perhaps the most notable—and surprising—revelation is that after his regeneration, he’s in a younger body. This raises the question of just how long the Time War actually went on, and just how old the Doctor actually is. We already know that the Eleventh Doctor lived for over 200 years without visibly aging by more than a handful—so if the War Doctor was able to age so much, he must have been around for significantly longer than that, right? And yet if he was, how does this fit in with the Ninth Doctor’s stated age of 900? Is he simply not including the years spent as the War Doctor?
Perhaps we’ll find out the answer to this, along with the many other questions the prequel throws up, on November 23…
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Rauthar Hast
Usuário
Fiquei um tempo sem postar nesse post, mas tem bastatne coisa nova.
Só falar aqui que eu fiquei 13 horas dia 01/11 dando F5 no ingresso.com pra tentar conseguir ingresso, até que perdi a paciência e fui no shopping buscar, e, well, consegui na frente, mas consegui
Tô gostando da divulgação nos últimos dias, mas não vi os trailers ainda, não quero estragar a surpresa (mas o número de print screens que já vi no facebook, já estragou tudo
)
Aliás, pra 5min esse The Night of the Doctor está espetacular, isso pq não vi ainda o telefilme, nem conhecia o 8th, mas ficou muito bom. Agora, vem cá, bem que o Eccleston podia gravar uma cena de 30 segundos, né? Não faz mal pra ninguém
Só falar aqui que eu fiquei 13 horas dia 01/11 dando F5 no ingresso.com pra tentar conseguir ingresso, até que perdi a paciência e fui no shopping buscar, e, well, consegui na frente, mas consegui
Tô gostando da divulgação nos últimos dias, mas não vi os trailers ainda, não quero estragar a surpresa (mas o número de print screens que já vi no facebook, já estragou tudo
)Aliás, pra 5min esse The Night of the Doctor está espetacular, isso pq não vi ainda o telefilme, nem conhecia o 8th, mas ficou muito bom. Agora, vem cá, bem que o Eccleston podia gravar uma cena de 30 segundos, né? Não faz mal pra ninguém
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Bruce Torres
Let's be alone together.
Aliás, pra 5min esse The Night of the Doctor está espetacular, isso pq não vi ainda o telefilme, nem conhecia o 8th, mas ficou muito bom. Agora, vem cá, bem que o Eccleston podia gravar uma cena de 30 segundos, né? Não faz mal pra ninguém
Vide que o Paul McGann também tinha negado que ia participar, mas... Quem sabe o Sylvester McCoy (7º) e o Colin Baker (6º) não dão as caras, também?
Rauthar Hast
Usuário
A Martha já reapareceu na 4ª temporada, não acho que ela vá aparecer de novo. Se tem alguém que precisa aparecer de novo (mas não agora) é a Amy, melhor companion ever (e a mais bonita também, perdendo, talvez, pra Romana 1)
Sobre o Eccleston, podiam até fazer uma cena de regeneração MUITO rápida com reconstituição, eles devem ter umas cenas excluídas ou cenas dos bastidores que dê pra fazer algo do tipo. Daí fariam algo parecido com o que fizeram com o 1st em The Name of the Doctor.
Ah, e alguém aqui que vá no cinema assistir, está pensando em ir caracterizado? Estou pensando em ir com um sobretudo marrom (10th), gravata-borboleta vermelha escura (11th), e comprar aqueles doces de insetos de gelatinas e ficar falando "Would you like a jelly-baby?" pelo shopping, hahahaha
dermeister
Ent cara-de-pau
Quem mais terá eventos especiais para o especial nas suas respectivas cidades?
Em Curitiba teremos um evento com exposição de whovianices, palestras, quizz musical com as trilhas da série, etc. na Livraria Cultura do shopping Curitiba, começando às 14h00 e com um intervalo para assistir ao especial nos cinemas do Mueller e do Barigui. Depois do especial haverá um concurso de cosplay.
E parece que meu ingresso anda impaciente e tentou pegar um atalho para o dia 23:
Em Curitiba teremos um evento com exposição de whovianices, palestras, quizz musical com as trilhas da série, etc. na Livraria Cultura do shopping Curitiba, começando às 14h00 e com um intervalo para assistir ao especial nos cinemas do Mueller e do Barigui. Depois do especial haverá um concurso de cosplay.
E parece que meu ingresso anda impaciente e tentou pegar um atalho para o dia 23:
dermeister
Ent cara-de-pau
Vejam o Doodle de hoje (na Nova Zelândia) que aparecerá no Google dos outros países conforme o fuso-horário: https://www.google.co.nz/
adrieldantas
Relax and have some winey
é amanhã. uhu!
dermeister
Ent cara-de-pau
Para ajudar na espera, vocês viram essas paródias?
adrieldantas
Relax and have some winey
Sobre o especial:
Eu gostei, como episódio cronológico eu acho que não fez tanta diferença, mas como um especial foi ótimo. Foi um evento mundial legal que reuniu fãs do mundo inteiro na mesma hora e no mesmo canal 
A BBC fez um carnaval do cacete para este especial e acho que funcionou, porque até pessoas que não são tão chegados em DW assistiram.
Resumindo, foi legal.
Até o especial de 100 anos!
A BBC fez um carnaval do cacete para este especial e acho que funcionou, porque até pessoas que não são tão chegados em DW assistiram.
Resumindo, foi legal.
Até o especial de 100 anos!
